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Same. Got into scripting SCAR and hanging out on the Kaitnieks forums. Delphi Pascal or something right?


Indeed! Fond memories of that orange bulldozer... And lots of lamenting that I was a little too late for the storied AutoRune days :)


It may be difficulty to do properly but then we shouldn’t throw our hands up and do nothing instead? Surely we can come up with a better practice better then filling the release form’s required details field with “Bug Fixes and performance Improvements” every single release? Here’s a quick skimmed list of iOS apps I see doing this currently: Carvana Cash App IMDB Kick Turo Twitch Instagram Prime Video I’ll stop now as it’s nearly every app. Even Apple’s own apps do this— directly from the company who controls the UI of the app store and the developer experience of filling out the form with placeholder messages


It depends. For stuff like npm packages, where the downstream consumers have to make a conscious decision about whether to adopt the update or not, I absolutely think it's worth getting it right, especially for major version bumps. I myself am the user of an open source code gen tool that does not have comprehensive changelogs, and it makes me want to tear my hair out because we can never be confident when upgrading whether or not we're going to end up with changes that will break our workflows or our customers' workflows.

But for consumer apps, honestly, maybe not? Even at companies that do good consumer changelogs, they're generally considered marketing content. Other posters in this thread made the points that most people updating consumer apps are not even going to see the changelog message, and that app stores have effectively punished companies for providing detailed changelogs by holding app store releases over them.

And given that for larger companies so many of them are actually controlling their feature releases on the backend and not on the client side (you might add the capability for a feature on the client months before you actually set the rollout to 100%), trying to convey those updates in the client-side changelog can be hard to do in a way that consumers will understand and can often generate a lot of confusion and support tickets. After all, we don't expect a changelog entry every time a website updates, and I feel like every day mobile and desktop apps are getting closer and closer to that category.


Well yeah, it's obvious that companies love the "anything goes, no expectations" update model of websites and want to apply it to apps as well. I just don't think this is in the interest of users.

As an exteme example, we've had the situation several times now that a useful app that was maintained by a single person was eventually sold to some adware or malware company - who quickly pushed an update to stuff the app full of ads or do worse with it.

This only works because of the "ask no questions and accept the auto update" standard the industry established.


This is the novelty price point. When mainstream supply and demand will adjust to reasonable value.


Supply is very limited right now. They're not making more of their v5 Jaguar vehicles. They expected to have lots of their v6 Zeekr vehicles at this point, but choosing a Chinese manufacturer just before Biden and Trump clamped down on them didn't work out so well in hindsight. The v6+ Hyundai models should start showing up in volume soon though.


Who ever thought obots designing human interfaces would be a fruitful endeavor?


What up ma clankas


Bragging to software developers about freeloading their software?


Freeloading? Bad word. There are plenty of free/open source alternatives like Discourse, Zulip, Matrix, so why would anybody pay for something which should be free to use and respect user privacy?


Been using OS X, MacOS for nearly two decades and never knew emacs was included!


Looks like an outage


I think you're right - I'm guessing there were some outages with scaling and the surge of new human and AI users. Eventually it worked!


My dishwashing creed also. How I do wish I could convince others to stop doing dishes like it’s 1985, and let the machine do the work efficiently


> I don’t even remember hating any other piece of technology I used

Jira, Microsoft Teams, HP Printers, Ticketmaster, …


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